That’s “Doctor Taylor” to you, sir! Remember that he used to put the “PhD” behind his name….not sure if he’s doing that now. So, does the good doctor make house calls?! LOL!
Anon
Stede Troisi who was also sticking up for super successful direct response marketer Jim Straw calling for his temporary ban to be lifted, questioning the moderators (Paul Myers) about the decision, has also now been banned from the Warrior Forum for disagreeing publically with their actions.
Anon
Jim Straw (JF Straw) the enormously successful direct response marketer who in the past 50 years has made over $400 million, now in his mid 70’s, having recently lost his wife, has now been banned temporarily from the Warrior Forum.
See this Happy Birthday thread posted up at the Warrior Forum, in particular pay attentioon to replies 14 and 15, reply #14 – Paul Myers wishes Jim Straw Happy Birthday and describes him as the perfect gentleman.
Not withstanding this fact, Paul Myers still ultimately banned JF Straw (Jim Straw) in late July 2010 from the Warrior Forum, stating that he would not overturn another moderators decision no matter what.
If you look at reply number 15 from Jim Straw (JF Straw), you can see that it states that he has been banned from the Warrior Forum.
Since JF Straw (Jim Straw) was merely acting on the advice of another separate moderator when making a post on the Warrior Forum and subsequently another moderator took exception to the post created and banned him for 7 days – wouldn’t the right thing for Paul Myers to do, have been to simply reinstate JF Straw’s account immediately?
You might want to get a screen capture of the above two posts.
If proof was needed about the utterly ridiculous banning policies at the Warrior Forum, this situation clearly demonstrates the absurd decision making processes on the part of moderators and administrators on the Warrior Forum at times.
Despite a few members requesting that the ban immediately be lifted, these posters who stood up for what they believed to be right, were first insulted publically and then subsequently themselves banned from the Warrior Forum for speaking out about this particular ban, levied against JF Straw (Jim Straw) direct response marketer.
If proof was needed that there is indeed a rather silly, inane banning policy taking place at the Warrior Forum – this is it.
Paul Myers, we are calling on you to do the right thing and to unban all of these affected Warrior Posters immediately who were merely acting in the best interests of an innocent party.
It was your moderator who initially gave the bad advice to JF Straw (Jim Straw) which caused another separate moderator to act in said manner, banning the gentleman from your forum.
Rather than sticking up, standing by your moderators awful decision we are calling on you Paul Myers to do the right thing here and immediately lift this ban against Jim Straw (JF Straw).
The question also remains concerning a thread posted up by yet another moderator Ken Strong – Direct Response Marketing Legend Banned From WF – this thread has also now been completely removed from the Warrior Forum, despite it receiving in it’s first 2 days some 10,000 plus visitor / reader views and close to 500 replies.
Why delete the thread Paul Myers when the topic is so popular?
Could it be that you were trying to save face, saving yourself the embarrassment of appearing extraordinarily stupid in the search engine results, by locking down this thread?
If anyone can get a cached history view of this entire thread, post it up here for everyone else to see.
The exact thread title was – Direct Response Marketing Legend Banned From WF
Why is there such a hard line attitude on the part of forum moderators and administrators towards posters, who were essentially trying to do the right thing, is the question which needs answering.
Why ban posters forever for the positive ‘criticism’ of Warrior Forum moderators?
And why further, delete every single one of their contributions to the forum, threads created and posts made trying to help other posters out?
How can you charge a full membership fee for your forum, entitling your customers to a lifetime membership only later to ban these customer accounts for life with no refund offered?
Wouldn’t this under normal circumstances be considered stealing Paul Myers?
Would this not be considered under normal circumstances a scam Paul Myers?
Are you going to address these issues and the concerns of all banned former members of the Warrior Forum or are you going to address these issues sometime soon?
This arbitrary banning of Warrior Forum members without any real due cause or reason, for the most silly pedantic reasons, MUST STOP!
What is your reply Paul Myers, John Taylor and Allen Says?
Are you going to carry on stealing other peoples money from them, to line your own greedy scam artist pockets?
Which is it to be?
Enquiring minds want to know!
Many people are now disgusted with the practices taking place at the Warrior Forum.
Aren’t we beginning to get into this whole banning thing a little deeper than we should be doing? I can’t see that members of this forum have the right to demand that WF moderators be accountable to us.
How would we respond if they demanded that we stop complaining and making accusations about their behavior on this forum?
Commenting about what they do is one thing, but telling them what to do is something entirely different…and, IMO, it’s clearly out of order.
Anon
Because if you act like an asshole in society you are usually held accountable for your actions perhaps?
Welcome to the real world.
Jimmy
Jo,
Why don’t you sashay on over to the WaFo and join the brown-nosers? Sounds like you’re quite adequately qualified.
Bannng someone like Jim Straw speaks volumes about their indescretion.
JG
@Anon
Totally agree with everything you said. It’s a disgrace that Jim Straw was banned. I hope he never goes back to post on there. I know I wouldn’t, not after being treated like naughty 5 year old.
‘Anthony Blake Online’ at http://www.ablakeforum.com/ has a ‘Name and Shame’ forum where Sal could post the entire story. This is a pretty busy forum, and the post would get a lot of exposure.
However, there are rules there, too, and you must keep your cool. Since Sal made a reasonable initial post on WF, I assume he would do the same on that forum.
I’m aware of what Paul Myers did to sal64 on the Warrior Forum. I wrote a lengthy article revealing all the sordid details. I hope Sal and all Warrior Forum victims get to read it.
I was banned from the WF this afternoon, and have found this blog fascinating. Here’s what happened to me:
I was (and remain) interested in a particular WSO. The sales page includes a video review, available on YouTube. Out of curiosity, I went over to YouTube to see what else that reviewer had to offer. Well, it turns out that he made an almost identical review video for another product in the exact same niche. I had the temerity to point this fact out on the WF, and ask the seller to offer some sort of explanation for why I should buy his product and not the other one recommended by his main cheerleader! When I refreshed the page to check on any response, I found I had been permanently banned for violating the forum’s rules.
Using in-private browsing (as recommended by an earlier poster) I was able to get back into the WF and confirm that my post had disappeared. (I wonder how many people had an opportunity to be ‘corrupted’ by my free speech.) I then reviewed the WSO rules. One of them allows product creators to report any attempts to deliberately sabotage their WSO. Now, what I did was not sabotage; it was a perfectly legitimate question that is in the interests of the consumer. Caveat emptor never had greater meaning!
The rules go on to say that if you have a problem with a product you should take it up with the creator through a PM. I don’t think I had enough posts under my belt to be able to use the PM system. And apparently you have no right to criticize a product if you haven’t bought it. This all looks heavily weighted in favor of the seller and those who profit indirectly by the sale of WSOs on the WF.
I recognize a legitimate need for moderation of any forum, but to permanently ban members without giving them any warning or avenue for redress is ludicrous. The forum could be a fine place if discussions were allowed to get a little heated. Wouldn’t you have more confidence in a product if you could see the creator handle genuine issues?
There is a theory in America called the marketplace of ideas, in which the truth is supposed to emerge victorious from the chaos of competing voices. It appears that this theory does not hold water – or is not valued – over at the Warrior Forum.
Bob
Good to see Paul Myers exposed for the arrogant TOOL he is!
CK
Richard, you were banned because WarriorForum doesn’t like people messing with WSO creators in any way since they help to monetize the forum. Any alarming negativity posted to a WSO thread will probably be met with post deletion and/or banning unless the creator did something horrendous on WarriorForum itself. They can’t have negative replies in these threads since it would turn people off from buying the WSO, and if people are not buying WSOs then WSO ad spots are not being sold anymore. Their WSO area is that fragile because of the abundance of weak offers.
Generally speaking, the people selling WSOs can’t defend their offerings against negativity since they are so inexperienced in what they are somehow claiming will make you successful. They don’t even understand the dynamics of their own offering and thus can’t provide solid rebuttals to negativity. So, again, WarriorForum relieves them from having to deal with many forms of negativity in the name of keeping the sales flowing.
JG
@Chuck Really enjoyed that article. I’m addicted to Warrior Forum Sucks!
@Richard sorry to hear you’ve been banned. Their rule that you need 50 posts in order to send a PM to a member is one of the most stupid rules I’ve ever seen on any forum.
Makes it very easy for scammers but since Allen & Co are scammers themselves it shouldn’t be all that surprising.
I just want to vent my anger with Warrior Forum. I am back on after being banned. But the rules on there. Suck.
This is the response, I got, Asking why my dating article was deleted.
They told me it was against the rules.
I had in Off Topic Subjects. It was a dating articles. So why did they delete my post.
I asked again. This is the response!!!
Hello Ray,
I will not explain this further. Just accept the decision of the moderator! Your thread was against the rules otherwise it would not have been deleted.
I think this is a crappy response! What is your opinion of the response. This people are not very nice!
screw the WF
Ray….
Probably that jag-bag Paul Myers with another
bug up his arse.
If you’ve been Warrior Forum banned – check out this forum instead…
Here, you’ve got a lot of the old time posters from the Warrior Forum imparting and giving away excellent Internet Marketing advice.
I’ve little doubt given time, this forum could well be a match for the Warrior Forum – it’s already shaping up to one hell of a good positive posting environment.
It’s only a referral link, I get nothing from you clicking on the link or copying and pasting it into your browser window – it is NOT an affiliate link.
So I got this great idea this morning and wanted to test it out. So I messaged about 15 people today, and got a HUGE response back.
Now tonight when I sit down am reply to the FIRST ONE… I get banned for a week for being “SPAMMY.” But look at the CONTEXT! It was relevant information to the user… and they happily responded BACK! Now I can’t talk to most of them because I can’t even get into the site!
I got banned at some point overnight and it’s just plain goofy. Said “persistently promoted my sig.” When in fact, as part of two VERY LONG, detailed, helpful posts I suggested someone watch a 40+ minute training video on that topic that I offer for FREE at http://www.jpmaroney.com/110k
I’m blown away.
I used to be a mod on Michel Fortin’s copywritersboard back in the day, so I can appreciate “rules.” However, a simple PM asking me to be more careful would have been much more respectful and appropriate. I assume the mods at WF are volunteers too. It puzzles me why they would react so recklessly. Oh, well.
@MarkAndrews — I check out and registered in that forum you suggested. Looks like it’s still getting off the ground. But, I made a few posts/comments.
I’m sorry to hear that you too received a ban from the Warrior Forum.
I completely agree with you that it does seem a little ‘goofy’ to say the very least, banning a respectable businessman and well respected copywriter and friend of Michel Fortin.
Some moderator decisions on that forum simply don’t make any real sense, in today’s business world.
Whilst out and out scammers and fraudsters can get away with blue murder on that forum, other respectable and honest business folks are being banned – what can one say? It’s just about as stupid as it gets in that place at times.
It’s a crying shame that one or two trigger happy moderators are playing God like this.
The downside is the very real reflection this can have on your business model. Time and effort spent helping countless others (perhaps for many years) only to have your entire forum history wiped out in an instant, with no recourse to appeal against the judgement handed down to you.
Paul Myers says that they take the decision to ban someone very, very seriously and will only do it as a last resort.
Poppycock I say.
They obviously don’t give a flying stuff about anyone but themselves. As long as they are lining their pockets with more cash from Internet marketing newbies – they couldn’t really care less about anyone else at all, except the greedy desire and need to serve their own self interests.
One has to wonder sometimes just how seriously they take this responsibility to moderate the forum when willy nilly, they are handing down lately so many bannings on the quiet.
With the latest price hike of WSO’s from $20 each to $40 each plus rebumping of WSO’s, one does wonder just how long they can keep this all up, before the Warrior Forum starts it’s sure and steady decline as a good resource for Internet marketers online.
Full disclosure … my “ban” notice said it would be lifted at 12:00 PM on Sept 15th. So, that should be up tonight. I am a little gun shy now, and plan to ask exactly how am I supposed to avoid getting banned in the future. Hey, I might get banned for asking … that’s sorta like questioning authority. ROFL.
Crazy …
BTW: What other forums do you (any others reading) suggest for the marketing world?)
You were banned from MarketCrush.com for posting up racial remarks which could have caused great offence to other people.
And further for your attitude towards the moderators and administrators on that forum, namely, 2 communications received telling the mods to go **** themselves.
Your overall attitude got you banned, no-one else asked you to be so rude and revolting with your comments.
JG
“Racist remarks” and “revolting comments?” That’s ridiculous!! LOL
So I said “those bloody indians are everywhere”
If an Australian said “those bloody brits are winning at cricket” would anyone think that was a racist comment?
No, of course not.
But heaven forbid I mention “Indians instead of “Brits” then that automatically makes me a racist doesn’t it?
I bet any Indians on the forum aren’t remotely offended as Brits wouldn’t be offended, as what is there to be offended about?
It’s the stupid politically correct obsessed people that THINK others might be offended and so they label me a “racist”.
And there’s no point in arguing about this as I’m right.
Much as you might try and defend your remarks, making comments such as this makes you unwelcome…
You said by private communication…
“where the hell was i racist? banning the best poster on the forum was a really stupid idea. none of tnhe other posters offer as much valuable posts as what i do. big asshole mike adn lisa fucking gerets can go adn sove the forum up their fucking assholes”
And…
“Oh you want to know “my precise point”?? ok ok I’ll tell you my precise point. I was asking why so many indians are involved in IM? How is that racist? You people so full of your stupid political correctness make me sick. Lisa fucking gerets and the rest of you fucking assholes can go to hell.”
Take some responsibility for your own actions. If we’re all so “****ing stupid” in your esteemed view, not posting on the forum will be of no great loss to you and will benefit everybody else.
It’s laughable how no one has explained why anything I’ve said is racist.
Like I said you can stick your forum up your ass!
JG
What is Allen up to? Just recently he makes it so you don’t have to confirm your registration and now he charges $40 to post a WSO.
JG
@MarkAndrews
I’ve just read your comment on Market Crush. I see you and ObeseMike and one or two others are still talking about me.
When I said that Digital Point attracts Indians like flies I meant theres a lot of them on there. How is that racist in any way? If there were a lot of Birtish members and I said it attracts the British like flies would that be racist? You don’t have talk some rot.
And as for ObeseMike’s comment about me being the worst poster that’s BS!! Look at all the threads I’ve started, all the useful tips I’ve posted. I’ve given away niches most people keep to themselves. Of course those threads don’t get a single thank you do they?
Anyway I’ve had enough. Carry on with your little discussion about me. I’m off to burn a few copies of the Koran.
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aniee
guys what should WE do about this forum, i think we must report this “warriorforum” website on international web regulations, seriously something MUST be done about it
perry rose
Okay, some of you REALLY need to get a life.
It’s just a message board. … A piss-poor one, at that.
I think many of the lame WF need to get a life so your point is what PerryRose… Sure glad I created a 100% better forum with real members and not posers and fakes..
It is great to know that newbies actually get real help on my forum and they have went from being ripped off at WF to making money on mine.
This is their own words also and not mine… One newbie has a wife and 5 children and he was ripped off to the point of losing his house. Now he is looking for a place to rent and my forum is helping him to start to actually earn an income now… So who needs to get a life..
Losers, Posers, Fakes, and Wannabe Marketers need to get a life…
MarketCrush ….LOL Loser forum .. Many of the losers and posers from WF just ran to another forum that’s all … Still ripping off newbies and giving out their bad advice and acting like experts when they are not…
James
JG
True. Theres one or two good members who helped me out but the vast majority are losers.
Im actually glad I’m banned from WF and now MC as I waste far too much time on forums. Getting so much more work done now.
@JG – Your url is missing the .com his forum is there but it’s dead… a month old and nobody posted but him ….lol
SMF is for loser marketers, the script is junky, non-seo’ed properly, no marketing abilities at all.. A “Real Marketer” will go spend $300 for VB 4.0 Suite…
A Real Forum – http://www.articlesproductions.com/forum.php – No posers allowed! Any wannabe join, they get banned real quick. The forum is 100% ad free and even has FREE MSO’s (Marketing Special Offer).
James
JG
What an idiot I am missing the .com off the end lol Looks like a decent forum that. Lots of good stuff on there!!
@markandrews I saw your post on MC saying Id joined your forum, that I was creating “countless usernames” and was spamming it. Well considering Ive only just seen your forum about 5 minutes ago I think that would be pretty damn impressive don’t you? They’re spambots!
Here’s some advice. I know you’re into positivity in a big way and that’s great. Problem is basing an entire forum around positive thinking isn’t going to work. I mean how much can you say about positive thinking? You’re simply not going to get many members joining and posting. You’d probably get a few more members if you changed to Vbulletin, had a unique theme created with a good logo, created a lot more boards and hired some forum posters to populate the forum and made it look “busy”. That’s just for starters. But even then a forum about positivity I just don’t see it being all that popular. What I would do is start a forum on a subject with a broader appeal and have the positivity forum as one of the boards on there. There’s your free advice, you can thank me later.
Now about Market Crush. Jeremy, Zerobrains your forum could do with some improvements. Firstly look at all the members you have with 0 posts. There are a lot of them. If you want some of them back then as I suggested more than once you should have a forum newsletter. Keep in touch with your non posting members, remind them of competitions etc. Some will have completely forgotten they joined so by sending out a short newsletter once a month this will remind them. Oh and make the newsletter funny. When I had a forum in 2004 I created crazy newsletters and got members with 0 posts coming back. If you need any help I’ll write them for you.
Create more competitions but not impossible ones like you have now. Smaller competitions with smaller prize money would be better, different competitions that would appeal to a wider audience. Remember all your members aren’t knowlegable about SEO. Again this will bring back members that have 0 posts. You as admin also need to get more involved. Instead of pissing around on the WF you ought to be contributing more by starting new threads. I was your top thread starter adding useful content to your forum for free. Instead of banning your top posters you should be rewarding them or at the very least thanking them for their valuable contributions. Don’t forget without members you don’t have a forum.
@JG,
That’s “Doctor Taylor” to you, sir! Remember that he used to put the “PhD” behind his name….not sure if he’s doing that now. So, does the good doctor make house calls?! LOL!
Stede Troisi who was also sticking up for super successful direct response marketer Jim Straw calling for his temporary ban to be lifted, questioning the moderators (Paul Myers) about the decision, has also now been banned from the Warrior Forum for disagreeing publically with their actions.
Jim Straw (JF Straw) the enormously successful direct response marketer who in the past 50 years has made over $400 million, now in his mid 70’s, having recently lost his wife, has now been banned temporarily from the Warrior Forum.
See this Happy Birthday thread posted up at the Warrior Forum, in particular pay attentioon to replies 14 and 15, reply #14 – Paul Myers wishes Jim Straw Happy Birthday and describes him as the perfect gentleman.
http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topic-forum/205160-happy-birthday-jf-jim-straw.html
Not withstanding this fact, Paul Myers still ultimately banned JF Straw (Jim Straw) in late July 2010 from the Warrior Forum, stating that he would not overturn another moderators decision no matter what.
If you look at reply number 15 from Jim Straw (JF Straw), you can see that it states that he has been banned from the Warrior Forum.
Since JF Straw (Jim Straw) was merely acting on the advice of another separate moderator when making a post on the Warrior Forum and subsequently another moderator took exception to the post created and banned him for 7 days – wouldn’t the right thing for Paul Myers to do, have been to simply reinstate JF Straw’s account immediately?
You might want to get a screen capture of the above two posts.
If proof was needed about the utterly ridiculous banning policies at the Warrior Forum, this situation clearly demonstrates the absurd decision making processes on the part of moderators and administrators on the Warrior Forum at times.
Despite a few members requesting that the ban immediately be lifted, these posters who stood up for what they believed to be right, were first insulted publically and then subsequently themselves banned from the Warrior Forum for speaking out about this particular ban, levied against JF Straw (Jim Straw) direct response marketer.
If proof was needed that there is indeed a rather silly, inane banning policy taking place at the Warrior Forum – this is it.
Paul Myers, we are calling on you to do the right thing and to unban all of these affected Warrior Posters immediately who were merely acting in the best interests of an innocent party.
It was your moderator who initially gave the bad advice to JF Straw (Jim Straw) which caused another separate moderator to act in said manner, banning the gentleman from your forum.
Rather than sticking up, standing by your moderators awful decision we are calling on you Paul Myers to do the right thing here and immediately lift this ban against Jim Straw (JF Straw).
The question also remains concerning a thread posted up by yet another moderator Ken Strong – Direct Response Marketing Legend Banned From WF – this thread has also now been completely removed from the Warrior Forum, despite it receiving in it’s first 2 days some 10,000 plus visitor / reader views and close to 500 replies.
Why delete the thread Paul Myers when the topic is so popular?
Could it be that you were trying to save face, saving yourself the embarrassment of appearing extraordinarily stupid in the search engine results, by locking down this thread?
If anyone can get a cached history view of this entire thread, post it up here for everyone else to see.
The exact thread title was – Direct Response Marketing Legend Banned From WF
Why is there such a hard line attitude on the part of forum moderators and administrators towards posters, who were essentially trying to do the right thing, is the question which needs answering.
Why ban posters forever for the positive ‘criticism’ of Warrior Forum moderators?
And why further, delete every single one of their contributions to the forum, threads created and posts made trying to help other posters out?
How can you charge a full membership fee for your forum, entitling your customers to a lifetime membership only later to ban these customer accounts for life with no refund offered?
Wouldn’t this under normal circumstances be considered stealing Paul Myers?
Would this not be considered under normal circumstances a scam Paul Myers?
Are you going to address these issues and the concerns of all banned former members of the Warrior Forum or are you going to address these issues sometime soon?
This arbitrary banning of Warrior Forum members without any real due cause or reason, for the most silly pedantic reasons, MUST STOP!
What is your reply Paul Myers, John Taylor and Allen Says?
Are you going to carry on stealing other peoples money from them, to line your own greedy scam artist pockets?
Which is it to be?
Enquiring minds want to know!
Many people are now disgusted with the practices taking place at the Warrior Forum.
Aren’t we beginning to get into this whole banning thing a little deeper than we should be doing? I can’t see that members of this forum have the right to demand that WF moderators be accountable to us.
How would we respond if they demanded that we stop complaining and making accusations about their behavior on this forum?
Commenting about what they do is one thing, but telling them what to do is something entirely different…and, IMO, it’s clearly out of order.
Because if you act like an asshole in society you are usually held accountable for your actions perhaps?
Welcome to the real world.
Jo,
Why don’t you sashay on over to the WaFo and join the brown-nosers? Sounds like you’re quite adequately qualified.
Bannng someone like Jim Straw speaks volumes about their indescretion.
@Anon
Totally agree with everything you said. It’s a disgrace that Jim Straw was banned. I hope he never goes back to post on there. I know I wouldn’t, not after being treated like naughty 5 year old.
Absolutely disgusting.
Typing this into Google…
site:warriorforum.com jim straw banned
brings up a few cached posts.
@Jimmy. LOL, Jimmy. You didn’t do your homework. I was banned…permanently.
@Jo
I’ve read this entire thread. I know you were banned, so you’re wrong.
Think what you will…most would agree that Mr. Straw was unfairly treated.
Case closed.
Paul Myers is an anagram for lumpy arse
Maybe someone will buy you some pile cream for your next birthday, eh Paul?
I just wrote an expose on Warrior Forum Brown Shirt Mod Paul Myers. Let me know what you think.
http://www.warriorforumsucks.com/2010/08/warrior-forum-jim-straw-paul-myers.html
lol that’s a great post!!
This is ridiculous. Myers has just banned someone who is complaining about being scammed.
http://www.warriorforum.com/main-internet-marketing-discussion-forum/248183-how-do-you-expose-fraud.html
What is wrong with that man??
‘Anthony Blake Online’ at http://www.ablakeforum.com/ has a ‘Name and Shame’ forum where Sal could post the entire story. This is a pretty busy forum, and the post would get a lot of exposure.
However, there are rules there, too, and you must keep your cool. Since Sal made a reasonable initial post on WF, I assume he would do the same on that forum.
@JG and Jo and all,
I’m aware of what Paul Myers did to sal64 on the Warrior Forum. I wrote a lengthy article revealing all the sordid details. I hope Sal and all Warrior Forum victims get to read it.
http://www.warriorforumsucks.com/2010/08/paul-myers-kevin-bidwell-warrior-forum.html
Chuck Rosseel
I was banned from the WF this afternoon, and have found this blog fascinating. Here’s what happened to me:
I was (and remain) interested in a particular WSO. The sales page includes a video review, available on YouTube. Out of curiosity, I went over to YouTube to see what else that reviewer had to offer. Well, it turns out that he made an almost identical review video for another product in the exact same niche. I had the temerity to point this fact out on the WF, and ask the seller to offer some sort of explanation for why I should buy his product and not the other one recommended by his main cheerleader! When I refreshed the page to check on any response, I found I had been permanently banned for violating the forum’s rules.
Using in-private browsing (as recommended by an earlier poster) I was able to get back into the WF and confirm that my post had disappeared. (I wonder how many people had an opportunity to be ‘corrupted’ by my free speech.) I then reviewed the WSO rules. One of them allows product creators to report any attempts to deliberately sabotage their WSO. Now, what I did was not sabotage; it was a perfectly legitimate question that is in the interests of the consumer. Caveat emptor never had greater meaning!
The rules go on to say that if you have a problem with a product you should take it up with the creator through a PM. I don’t think I had enough posts under my belt to be able to use the PM system. And apparently you have no right to criticize a product if you haven’t bought it. This all looks heavily weighted in favor of the seller and those who profit indirectly by the sale of WSOs on the WF.
I recognize a legitimate need for moderation of any forum, but to permanently ban members without giving them any warning or avenue for redress is ludicrous. The forum could be a fine place if discussions were allowed to get a little heated. Wouldn’t you have more confidence in a product if you could see the creator handle genuine issues?
There is a theory in America called the marketplace of ideas, in which the truth is supposed to emerge victorious from the chaos of competing voices. It appears that this theory does not hold water – or is not valued – over at the Warrior Forum.
Good to see Paul Myers exposed for the arrogant TOOL he is!
Richard, you were banned because WarriorForum doesn’t like people messing with WSO creators in any way since they help to monetize the forum. Any alarming negativity posted to a WSO thread will probably be met with post deletion and/or banning unless the creator did something horrendous on WarriorForum itself. They can’t have negative replies in these threads since it would turn people off from buying the WSO, and if people are not buying WSOs then WSO ad spots are not being sold anymore. Their WSO area is that fragile because of the abundance of weak offers.
Generally speaking, the people selling WSOs can’t defend their offerings against negativity since they are so inexperienced in what they are somehow claiming will make you successful. They don’t even understand the dynamics of their own offering and thus can’t provide solid rebuttals to negativity. So, again, WarriorForum relieves them from having to deal with many forms of negativity in the name of keeping the sales flowing.
@Chuck Really enjoyed that article. I’m addicted to Warrior Forum Sucks!
@Richard sorry to hear you’ve been banned. Their rule that you need 50 posts in order to send a PM to a member is one of the most stupid rules I’ve ever seen on any forum.
Makes it very easy for scammers but since Allen & Co are scammers themselves it shouldn’t be all that surprising.
Me too! In fact I have been banned 3 times!
I just want to vent my anger with Warrior Forum. I am back on after being banned. But the rules on there. Suck.
This is the response, I got, Asking why my dating article was deleted.
They told me it was against the rules.
I had in Off Topic Subjects. It was a dating articles. So why did they delete my post.
I asked again. This is the response!!!
Hello Ray,
I will not explain this further. Just accept the decision of the moderator! Your thread was against the rules otherwise it would not have been deleted.
I think this is a crappy response! What is your opinion of the response. This people are not very nice!
Ray….
Probably that jag-bag Paul Myers with another
bug up his arse.
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I’ve little doubt given time, this forum could well be a match for the Warrior Forum – it’s already shaping up to one hell of a good positive posting environment.
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I hope this helps a few of you out.
Best,
Mark Andrews
So I got this great idea this morning and wanted to test it out. So I messaged about 15 people today, and got a HUGE response back.
Now tonight when I sit down am reply to the FIRST ONE… I get banned for a week for being “SPAMMY.” But look at the CONTEXT! It was relevant information to the user… and they happily responded BACK! Now I can’t talk to most of them because I can’t even get into the site!
BAH!
I will never do business with Warrior Forum Again. They should treat people better. Their reputation is tarnished that is for sure.
If you want to check out my Forum, I just got started with.
Check it out, I need members…..
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See ya,
Ray Gollis
I got banned at some point overnight and it’s just plain goofy. Said “persistently promoted my sig.” When in fact, as part of two VERY LONG, detailed, helpful posts I suggested someone watch a 40+ minute training video on that topic that I offer for FREE at http://www.jpmaroney.com/110k
I’m blown away.
I used to be a mod on Michel Fortin’s copywritersboard back in the day, so I can appreciate “rules.” However, a simple PM asking me to be more careful would have been much more respectful and appropriate. I assume the mods at WF are volunteers too. It puzzles me why they would react so recklessly. Oh, well.
@MarkAndrews — I check out and registered in that forum you suggested. Looks like it’s still getting off the ground. But, I made a few posts/comments.
Cheers,
JP Maroney
aka Mr. Monetizer
@JP Maroney
I’m sorry to hear that you too received a ban from the Warrior Forum.
I completely agree with you that it does seem a little ‘goofy’ to say the very least, banning a respectable businessman and well respected copywriter and friend of Michel Fortin.
Some moderator decisions on that forum simply don’t make any real sense, in today’s business world.
Whilst out and out scammers and fraudsters can get away with blue murder on that forum, other respectable and honest business folks are being banned – what can one say? It’s just about as stupid as it gets in that place at times.
It’s a crying shame that one or two trigger happy moderators are playing God like this.
The downside is the very real reflection this can have on your business model. Time and effort spent helping countless others (perhaps for many years) only to have your entire forum history wiped out in an instant, with no recourse to appeal against the judgement handed down to you.
Paul Myers says that they take the decision to ban someone very, very seriously and will only do it as a last resort.
Poppycock I say.
They obviously don’t give a flying stuff about anyone but themselves. As long as they are lining their pockets with more cash from Internet marketing newbies – they couldn’t really care less about anyone else at all, except the greedy desire and need to serve their own self interests.
One has to wonder sometimes just how seriously they take this responsibility to moderate the forum when willy nilly, they are handing down lately so many bannings on the quiet.
With the latest price hike of WSO’s from $20 each to $40 each plus rebumping of WSO’s, one does wonder just how long they can keep this all up, before the Warrior Forum starts it’s sure and steady decline as a good resource for Internet marketers online.
I look forward to seeing you posting more at MarketCrush.com – http://www.marketcrush.com/index.php?action=register;referredby=1671
Kindest regards and best wishes,
Mark Andrews – Copywriter
@Mark Andrews
Ya, pretty crazy.
Full disclosure … my “ban” notice said it would be lifted at 12:00 PM on Sept 15th. So, that should be up tonight. I am a little gun shy now, and plan to ask exactly how am I supposed to avoid getting banned in the future. Hey, I might get banned for asking … that’s sorta like questioning authority. ROFL.
Crazy …
BTW: What other forums do you (any others reading) suggest for the marketing world?)
Cheers,
JP
Try V7N.com http://www.V7N.com
Hope this helps.
I wouldnt bother joining Market Crush forum. I was banned asking why so many people from India are into internet marketing.
Perfectly good question but no Lisa Ferrets Gerrets or whatever her name is banned me.
You were banned from MarketCrush.com for posting up racial remarks which could have caused great offence to other people.
And further for your attitude towards the moderators and administrators on that forum, namely, 2 communications received telling the mods to go **** themselves.
Your overall attitude got you banned, no-one else asked you to be so rude and revolting with your comments.
“Racist remarks” and “revolting comments?” That’s ridiculous!! LOL
So I said “those bloody indians are everywhere”
If an Australian said “those bloody brits are winning at cricket” would anyone think that was a racist comment?
No, of course not.
But heaven forbid I mention “Indians instead of “Brits” then that automatically makes me a racist doesn’t it?
I bet any Indians on the forum aren’t remotely offended as Brits wouldn’t be offended, as what is there to be offended about?
It’s the stupid politically correct obsessed people that THINK others might be offended and so they label me a “racist”.
And there’s no point in arguing about this as I’m right.
Much as you might try and defend your remarks, making comments such as this makes you unwelcome…
You said by private communication…
“where the hell was i racist? banning the best poster on the forum was a really stupid idea. none of tnhe other posters offer as much valuable posts as what i do. big asshole mike adn lisa fucking gerets can go adn sove the forum up their fucking assholes”
And…
“Oh you want to know “my precise point”?? ok ok I’ll tell you my precise point. I was asking why so many indians are involved in IM? How is that racist? You people so full of your stupid political correctness make me sick. Lisa fucking gerets and the rest of you fucking assholes can go to hell.”
Take some responsibility for your own actions. If we’re all so “****ing stupid” in your esteemed view, not posting on the forum will be of no great loss to you and will benefit everybody else.
End of discussion.
@MarkAndrews
will check out v7n — thx!
It’s laughable how no one has explained why anything I’ve said is racist.
Like I said you can stick your forum up your ass!
What is Allen up to? Just recently he makes it so you don’t have to confirm your registration and now he charges $40 to post a WSO.
@MarkAndrews
I’ve just read your comment on Market Crush. I see you and ObeseMike and one or two others are still talking about me.
When I said that Digital Point attracts Indians like flies I meant theres a lot of them on there. How is that racist in any way? If there were a lot of Birtish members and I said it attracts the British like flies would that be racist? You don’t have talk some rot.
And as for ObeseMike’s comment about me being the worst poster that’s BS!! Look at all the threads I’ve started, all the useful tips I’ve posted. I’ve given away niches most people keep to themselves. Of course those threads don’t get a single thank you do they?
Anyway I’ve had enough. Carry on with your little discussion about me. I’m off to burn a few copies of the Koran.
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guys what should WE do about this forum, i think we must report this “warriorforum” website on international web regulations, seriously something MUST be done about it
Okay, some of you REALLY need to get a life.
It’s just a message board. … A piss-poor one, at that.
Jesus.
I think many of the lame WF need to get a life so your point is what PerryRose… Sure glad I created a 100% better forum with real members and not posers and fakes..
It is great to know that newbies actually get real help on my forum and they have went from being ripped off at WF to making money on mine.
This is their own words also and not mine… One newbie has a wife and 5 children and he was ripped off to the point of losing his house. Now he is looking for a place to rent and my forum is helping him to start to actually earn an income now… So who needs to get a life..
Losers, Posers, Fakes, and Wannabe Marketers need to get a life…
James
MarketCrush ….LOL Loser forum .. Many of the losers and posers from WF just ran to another forum that’s all … Still ripping off newbies and giving out their bad advice and acting like experts when they are not…
James
True. Theres one or two good members who helped me out but the vast majority are losers.
Im actually glad I’m banned from WF and now MC as I waste far too much time on forums. Getting so much more work done now.
Hey look what I found
http://www.PositiveThinkingForum
I think I’ll join.
@JG …LOL It was setup Aug 27th … Almost a month ago, what happened ????
“Real Marketers” Purchase Real Forum Software like VB … SMF is for losers….
James
lol I dont know. MarkAndrews your forum is offline!
There seem to be SMF forums popping up constantly most of them run by simpletons.
@JG – Your url is missing the .com his forum is there but it’s dead… a month old and nobody posted but him ….lol
SMF is for loser marketers, the script is junky, non-seo’ed properly, no marketing abilities at all.. A “Real Marketer” will go spend $300 for VB 4.0 Suite…
A Real Forum – http://www.articlesproductions.com/forum.php – No posers allowed! Any wannabe join, they get banned real quick. The forum is 100% ad free and even has FREE MSO’s (Marketing Special Offer).
James
What an idiot I am missing the .com off the end lol Looks like a decent forum that. Lots of good stuff on there!!
@markandrews I saw your post on MC saying Id joined your forum, that I was creating “countless usernames” and was spamming it. Well considering Ive only just seen your forum about 5 minutes ago I think that would be pretty damn impressive don’t you? They’re spambots!
Here’s some advice. I know you’re into positivity in a big way and that’s great. Problem is basing an entire forum around positive thinking isn’t going to work. I mean how much can you say about positive thinking? You’re simply not going to get many members joining and posting. You’d probably get a few more members if you changed to Vbulletin, had a unique theme created with a good logo, created a lot more boards and hired some forum posters to populate the forum and made it look “busy”. That’s just for starters. But even then a forum about positivity I just don’t see it being all that popular. What I would do is start a forum on a subject with a broader appeal and have the positivity forum as one of the boards on there. There’s your free advice, you can thank me later.
Now about Market Crush. Jeremy, Zerobrains your forum could do with some improvements. Firstly look at all the members you have with 0 posts. There are a lot of them. If you want some of them back then as I suggested more than once you should have a forum newsletter. Keep in touch with your non posting members, remind them of competitions etc. Some will have completely forgotten they joined so by sending out a short newsletter once a month this will remind them. Oh and make the newsletter funny. When I had a forum in 2004 I created crazy newsletters and got members with 0 posts coming back. If you need any help I’ll write them for you.
Create more competitions but not impossible ones like you have now. Smaller competitions with smaller prize money would be better, different competitions that would appeal to a wider audience. Remember all your members aren’t knowlegable about SEO. Again this will bring back members that have 0 posts. You as admin also need to get more involved. Instead of pissing around on the WF you ought to be contributing more by starting new threads. I was your top thread starter adding useful content to your forum for free. Instead of banning your top posters you should be rewarding them or at the very least thanking them for their valuable contributions. Don’t forget without members you don’t have a forum.
hey , how to ban someone? on warrior forum