Well I did ask to be kept up to date with this thread.. its a long tale of woe for sure..Looks like WF don’t care 2 hoots about opinion.. I found WF was ok for learning a few things, but I quickly realized its a business run by the War Room Elite, who use the forum as a constant supply of Cannon Fodder.. Newbies.. Lure them in with WSO’s that are just basic stuff.. keep em on the hook as long as possible.. well Im glad Im out.. cuz I looked around and found other pastures..
The top one is an Indian forum.. there is piles of stuff here way better than any WSO ive seen on WF, and its all FREE.. and BHF.. also lots of helpful info, and feedback.. go for it…
Funny, I was going to do business with someone, when I noticed they were recently banned. Wondering what that meant and if that indicated I should stay away from doing business with that person, I googled “warrior forum banned” and found this page. Now I see that I should not put too much weight on the “banned” status, and rely on my normal due diligence in deciding if someone seems safe enough to do business with. BTW, there are several good IM forums around and more popping up, I wouldn’t lament WF too much.
Wow, all I can say is all of you IMO are a bunch of losers. I have been a member of the WF for quite some time and you don’t just get banned for being nice. The rules are in plain site for anyone to read and if you adhere to them you have no problem.
It’s interesting to read some of your comments which are not only negative in nature but obviously demonstrate what kind of people you are in general. With the attitudes displayed which are basically blaming others (in this case, the Warrior Forum) for your IM ineptness it is easy to see why you will never go anywhere in life.
As far as I am concerned, good riddance to all of you.
@Jack P. It seems news of Warrior Forum dishonestly banning members has gotten under poor Jack P’s skin. This WF sycophant took time away from his Allen Say boot licking duties to post a lie on Ad Hustler.
By not revealing his identity Jack P does reveal his cowardice.
The facts are indisputable. Warrior Forum rules are violated every day by Warrior Forum moderators. Honest, decent folks are frequently banned from WF for no reason whatsoever, except that they have inadvertently exposed another WF scam.
Freedom of speech is also banned on the Warrior Forum. It does not exist there.
One significant benefit to being fraudulently banned by the WF is that the innocent marketer quickly discovers that the WF is a complete waste of time anyway. It’s a WSO scam site with inept, corrupt moderators, no free speech and tired, useless, rehashed IM advice.
Each day, in greater and greater numbers, internet marketers are happily saying good riddance to the Warrior Forum.
Just two weeks ago I got into the offline niche. I have dedicated the last two weeks to talking to as many business owners as possible. It has been a great experience and I have already picked up two clients this week and have about 4-5 appointments next week. These are high quality clients like attorneys, insurance agents, mortgage brokers, etc. I have three state farm agents that want to meet me next week along with a magician and DUI lawyer. I can’t even keep track of all the leads/contacts I have made. It is really amazing and the best part of it all is what happened Thurs.
I was talking to some President of a College or something. Didn’t really give it a thought because I have gotten really good at explaining what I do in only two weeks. We were also on a equal level and I talk to people as though they are my friends even though they may be really important. After talking with him for about 30 mins in a social setting you could tell he was really impressed with what I knew and then he said “I want you to be the marketing professor at my college”. I was shocked and thought maybe the guy was just talking like a big shot. So I was like OK I would be interested in that, but I am really busy with my business right now.
So the next day he sends me an email saying “I really want to bring you next week for a quick chalk and talk with my staff. If all goes well we will bring you on.” I couldn’t believe it and it was incredible thinking I went from nothing to being offered a position at a college in less than two weeks. So I have to send over my transcripts from my Masters Degree, resume and the application. His secretary will be contacting me early next week for the appointment. All I can say is just go out there and DO IT. Talk to as many people as possible and gain the confidence and leverage to nail big clients everyday.
I don’t even know if I will accept the position because my business is really starting to take off and I have a goal of 100 clients in 6 months. I want to acheive this goal because it will give me about $50,000 a month in residual income as well. I have so many great stories of how I leveraged my skill and talent that it is crazy. People are starting to chase me and contact me and it has only be a few weeks.
JUST DO IT!
feettymox
Garima Gupta Singh
Hi,
This is stupidity. i got banned within half an hour and i dont even know why?
This is such stupid site “warriorforum”..
I got booted today. 🙁 I think it was because of ‘spam”. I was telling other warriors about this really high paying PPI affiliate program, and did put it in my signature, but they banned me anyway. That forum has been really helpful to me, and I wanted to share this find with everyone, because there were a lot of people who were struggling to find good affiliate programs. The one thing I don’t get is that there are people who put offers to their info products or other people’s info products, but they’re not banned? How does that work? Their offers are completely unsolicited, and mine was something that people were actually LOOKING for. 🙁
Wow, all I can say is all of you IMO are a bunch of losers. I have been a member of the WF for quite some time and you don’t just get banned for being nice. The rules are in plain site for anyone to read and if you adhere to them you have no problem.
It’s interesting to read some of your comments which are not only negative in nature but obviously demonstrate what kind of people you are in general. With the attitudes displayed which are basically blaming others (in this case, the Warrior Forum) for your IM ineptness it is easy to see why you will never go anywhere in life.
As far as I am concerned, good riddance to all of you.[/QUOTE]
@ Paul Meyers and we have the right to expose exactly how the Warrior Forum is run…
Warrior Forum is known for giving pass to the “Guru’s” and long time forum members who consistenly break the rules. Yet the moderators arbitraitly make up rules as you go along for the “unwashed masses” of the rest of the forum that get banned without warning just because a moderator subjectively interpreted a rule to fit their own justification to ban someone because they had a problem personally with the member..
We can talk about it all we want Paul it’s called Freedom of Speech… You should try it over at the Warrior Forum you may be enlightened to waht is really going on in the rest of the world right around you instead of just what is in your little box…
It’s interesting to note that the owner of Ad Hustler has not censored you and allowed you your freedom of speech and to express your opinion albeit a subjective paragraph of insults and sweeping assumptions.
@ To everyone else
I ask you these questions.
What successful and ethical business model that knows that it’s customers are unhappy about the way they’ve been treated, responds by telling them to basically sod off?
If you walked into Walmart and bought faulty goods, would you be happy if their staff told you that “we don’t want your type” in our shop and throw a bag of insults at you? Would you shop their again and more to the point how long would Walmart last?
What if you took a flight with Virgin Atlantic and the stewardress decided not to give you service as he/she simply didn’t like the look of you? Would Richard Branson be where he is today on a broken business model?
Choose your role models carefully. Do you really want to be part of a forum where the owner openly admits that he used to earn his money dishonestly. I notice that Paul is an avid Gary Halbert fan. Gary Halbert was a very talented copy writer and is said to have turned the marketing world on it’s head, but that wasn’t before he spent several years in Boron Federal Prison Camp for fraud!
If you really want to get on in life and business then steer well clear of business models like the Warrior Forum as it will only serve to make you feel bad. Feeling bad is not a good recipe for success – positive thinking and feeling good is. Conducting yourself honestly and ethically will ensure a good nights sleep and a higher self.
The irony of Pauls’ post of course is that by taking his valuable time to hurl some insults and tell us that the poor loves are overworked, he has himself, become a “whiner and moaner”.
P.S. Still waiting for the email stating that I have been banned as it states in the Warrior Forums’ Terms of Service. Please don’t tell us you break the rules that are of your own making?
Well said Nicola. The moderator Paul Myers can speak here and not get banned but Paul Myers would ban anyone who spoke freely on his forum. That shows how genuine the forum is run.
You do not provide proper service scamming loads of money and say that you are not eligible to be in my forum. Why don’t you test the members before they sign up, conduct interviews if you do not want people like “us”.
If you don’t want people like us and if you want people like…… what? Fill it up with what rhymes with “us”. Then go l*** it. I mean go “love” it. And what you rhyme with “us” is at your sole discretion and not mine.
Mr. Myers, you keep banning people. One day you and your forum will be banned. I am awaiting such a day and see the law forces rip you off your “ass”ets.
I have just confirmed that that was not the real Paul Myers. The real one is aware of fake posts using his name, and I had an email from him (I’m on one of his lists) suggesting that if you have doubts you can email him at paul@talkbiz.com for confirmation.
I queried that email, not by replying to it but by using the address I have for him in my contacts list, and he replied that it was genuine.
I hope that all of you who replied to the fake post will delete your posts, regardless of what you may think about the real Paul Myers. We could easily lose our own credibility if we aren’t careful of such scams.
And I certainly hope that Ad Hustler will delete the fake post…after confirming at paul@talkbiz.com that the real Paul Myers did not post it. I did not confirm that, but I suspected it immediately because the real Paul Myers does not splutter as did that poster.
marco
I hate Warrior SCAM Offers. Most of them are scams
Cosmo Kramer
One wonders if Steven “The Wagmeister General”
pooped himself when he got banned from the WF
for 7 days?! And this was for defending Michael
Jackson (imagine: the creepy defending the creepy).
So, Wags…you’re a Michael Jackson sympathizer, eh?
Interesting indeed………
One of the “seasoned” female posters over there claims
to be a ghostwriter, yet she can’t compose a proper
sentence.
@Cosmo Kramer: “One” probably does wonder what Steven Wagenheim did when he was banned. “One” could have no idea what a gentleman WOULD do.
You, not surprisingly, can’t read. He wasn’t defending Michael Jackson; he was defending everyone’s right to privacy at times of family crisis.
Steven Wagenheim, a gentleman and a fine person, was wrong because he indulged in name-calling when he rebuked the people who were showing lack of consideration for his family by attacking someone they loved. He admitted that he was wrong, apologized, and got on with it.
OTOH, “One” and the rest of his ilk are behaving like school yard bullies, for which they are earning the contempt they deserve.
Posting anonymously is a dead giveaway that a coward lurks behind those words.
It looks as though Mr Myers has an enemy hot on his tail! Unfortunately, when moderators behave as badly as they do on WF it can bring out the worst in people although I’m not condoning this bogus posters tactics. I prefer up front freedom of speech to surreptitious damage tactics.
I have no problem deleting my response although the points I made were more on the WF being a broken business model. I can’t see how to do this from my end though. If the site owner wants to delete then thats cool with me.
@Nicola. Now that you mention it, I don’t see any way to alter posts, either. At least your post above softens things a bit.
Paul Myers and Steven Wagenheim seem to be getting the brunt of the abuse, and to the best of my knowledge, neither of them ever did anything but help in overabundance. Either will occasionally put someone down a bit who oversteps bounds or posts less than expert advice, but in my opinion both are great guys. In fact, theirs are the only two names I can even recall from the WF.
I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that neither of those two has ever banned someone, but if either did, you can bet that someone deserved it in spades!
If Paul Myers didn’t make the above comment let him come here and deny it. Even if an impostor made that comment it doesn’t change my opinion of Paul Myers one bit.
Here are the facts:
Paul Myers supports the censorship of free speech on the Warrior Forum. Let me be crystal clear about this. If a WF member is scammed on that forum, he is prohibited from revealing the WF member who ripped him off. He cannot fight back or even warn other WF members of the scam artist. Should he do so, the victim will be banned while the scam artist will be allowed to continue stealing on the WF. Obviously this censorship policy, which Paul Myers wholeheartedly supports, encourages and fosters a climate of deceit, deception, cheating and swindling on the Warrior Forum.
Myers was directly involved in attacking my posts on the Warrior Forum. The threads have all been killed but I remember Paul wanting me silenced just because I spoke the truth. I never violated a single policy on the WF, yet thanks to Paul Myers and others, I was banned for life.
After I penned a critical article about Paul Myers, I received a death threat email and comment. There is an ongoing investigation into this.
It’s no secret I write a blog called Warrior Forum Sucks. In it I tell the truth about the WF while warning folks to stay away. Over the past several months I have been repeatedly attacked. I have had websites hijacked, email accounts phished, death threats, keylogger encroachments and just a few hours ago my WFS blog and several other sites were wiped off the internet ( I just got them all back online).
I don’t know if Myers sent the death threat but I do know that all the BS I’ve experienced only came after I started writing about the Warrior Forum.
I’m thick skinned, knowledgeable about computers, have everything backed up securely, know how to protect my data and myself and know how to locate an IP even if a proxy were used. I will continue to write about the WF.
I’ll end by stating I’m no fan of Steven Wagenheim. My beef with him isn’t just that he’s one of the creepiest and weirdest characters online but that he also was directly involved in censoring me on the Warrior Forum. He’s an oddball occultist and serial forum poster who like Myers, completely supports the Warrior Forum censorship policy that fosters so many scams (WSO and others) on the WF.
From the WF
Jo/”Jody”…you’re quite the whining crybaby. Quite
throwing your rattle out of the pram and whining
about getting banned from WF.
Why the obsession with Wags and Myers?
Yes, both are good people. Steve has his
quirks (who doesn’t?) and Paul sometimes
gets a but up his arse about this and that.
Let it go, and go find yourself a new hobby.
Mr. Allen Says shall continue to make a fortune
off WF whether you’re a member or not.
Actually, they don’t like NZ marketers over there.
That’s a joke, Jody…don’t sweat it. Now go make
some $$$ and quite whining.
Don’t worry about Paul and Wagsy…they’ll be just
fine.
@From the WF. Ho hum. Yet one more anonymous comment. Is the WF a harbor for cowards?
You’re right that Paul Myers and Steven Wagenheim don’t need me to defend them, but the bullies who attack them need me… and the others who are fair people… to tell them how trashy their behavior is.
Those attacks on decent people say a helluva lot more about the attackers than about those attacked.
FYI, I’m an American, not a New Zealander; I just live here.
I still do not understand if “Jo” (personally requesting to not take offence) is in support of the forum and the moderators or if he is against them.
I do understand that Steven Wagenheim was pretty decent who responded to my post with criticisms that would put me down but when I responded and explained, he seemed to understand whatever I said. He understood the truth behind my words.
His words grew softer afterwards. But I do not know Paul Myers. I just want to clarify from “Jo”, if he is with the forum and the moderators or if he is not with them.
But here the backlash on an anonymous poster by “Jo” is different from his dispelling of common and shared opinions of those who hate Warrior Forum.
He often dispels opinions but also speaks of the warrior forum’s ways. I am not indicating at anything like double standards of my dear friend “Jo”. But this has been confusing me. I do not also figure out if his sarcasms are so good.
If that is the case, then I appreciate his ability:))
But here the backlash on an anonymous poster by “Jo” is different from his dispelling of common and shared opinions of those who hate Warrior Forum.
He often dispels opinions but also speaks of the warrior forum’s ways. I am not indicating at anything like double standards of my dear friend “Jo”. But this has been confusing me. I do not also figure out if his sarcasms are so good.
If that is the case, then I appreciate his unique ability:))
warriorforum sucks. it can kiss my ass and suck my boobs. oh no, i won’t give them that privilege. alexa smith – she can suck my cock. she’s hot.
they ban for crazy reasons. was in thailand recently n a friend got banned, amazing. i just use them for wsos coz theres some good money there. i literally made all my money selling warrior scammy offers to gullible newbs. n photoschopped sum screenshots 2, easy money there.
once john taylor the asshole pmmed me asking to pay him 50% of my wso sales or get my ass blocked from the wf. since then i am paying him 50%. crazy shit. but whatever.
a couple folks there are cool tho. kelsall for one. i lol at ppl like therichjerksnet who dusnt knw a fuck n will say he hs tested everything… as if he’s some sort of a newbee god. damn him. he can’t get an erection so spitting out crap.
i luv the imraan nassem dude keepps on pushin whore scam opportunities (WSO) every day. i love how martin luxton n dennis gaskill will kill gases every day.
most of them all… i love mark andrews im copywriting who commented above …
“The forum is great, the mods are a complete bunch of idiots.
Stuff em, I ain’t going back there again.”
so let me get this straight u asshole fag
u aint goin thr but u will post wsos
yea yea yea ur fuckin usual crap
fuck off n get a life mr. andrews. u can make more flippin burgers thn writing shitty copy
@Dinesh Babu. Sorry I’ve not made myself clear, Dinesh. Poor writing on my part; a good writer would be clear even to those for whom English is a second language.
But, I think I can clarify for you now. (And, BTW, I’m a ‘she,’ not a ‘he.’)
Being ‘for’ or ‘against’ is often not black and white. I try to see both sides of any question, including disputes, and to acknowledge the positive things on both sides as well as to condemn the negative on both.
Also, readers should remember that comments and facts are two different things. Comments are a writer’s personal opinions and should be recognized as such. They can be disputed.
Facts, assuming that the person stating them knows what he or she is talking about, are not to be disputed.
With those things in mind, I am against the Warrior Forum’s arbitrary banning policies and the moderating policy that makes them possible; I am against Allen Says for not having more foresight about what would happen as the result of those policies; and, I am against Allen Says for not taking action to correct this situation–particularly if his reason is “I don’t care; just give me the money.”
I am NOT against the reasonable and decent members of the Warrior Forum who genuinely and generously give help to others. These are the people who would not ban a member on a whim and would take no pleasure in banning even when it needed to be done.
Paul Myers and Steven Wagenheim fall into that last category. In addition, I have bought their products and found them to be of exceptional value and, IMO, under priced. I’ll stick my neck out and say that I don’t think Steven Wagenheim ever offered a WSO that wasn’t worth far more than his price.
Although I rarely looked at the WSOs (I learned about them by way of the author’s newsletter), I don’t believe Paul Myers was using that marketing strategy much, if at all, during the couple of years that I was a member.
So what is my true position in the controversy? I hate bullying, small mindedness, unjustified criticism, and the damage that those things do to innocent people.
They do (usually irreparable) damage to people’s reputations, their careers, their businesses, and, sadly, to their personal lives.
I find that intolerable, and my conscience compels me to speak up on behalf of anyone whom I think is being bullied and/or falsely accused. I confess to having an overdeveloped sense of justice, but in my almost 80 years of life, I’ve never been able to keep it in check.
They using new tactics now instead of a ban they are doing a redirect … See the video – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcIo4hvX58g – No rules at all broken, none of us was even on the WF when we got our “Ban/Redirect” …
That is my opinion and I have felt that on more than one occasion. And if you say that you do not take the irreparable damage comments make to people, I would request you to stop referring to me as such as well. If your comments are going to be more stronger than I “requested”, then I would not be able to bear it nor be able to take it and that would prevent me from an act called posting comments.
I say that you dispel beliefs. You know, I thought I was replying to a guy who was just out of college or university and who had taken to IM. Then, when you said, you were a “she” and not a “he”, I was thrilled with the thought of having myself acquainted with a “mid 30s” woman who took to “internet marketing” working from home, a single mother or, more interestingly, a single woman:-(
But I could not even imagine you have lived for 80 years or more. Probably, it is to do with your language and writing. I still find it hard to believe you are 80 years old.
Your writing is more youthful which led me to assume different things about you. And I have been telling you that English is not the most difficult thing to learn. It is one of the easiest languages to learn. We have a language every 300 kms with several dialects and accents on each. So it is not difficult for us to learn any language and we do learn multiple languages for we need them to travel within our own country.
My Native language is Tamil which has survived for more than 5000 years (the longest surviving language in history) and if I am to travel just 100 kms north from my city, I have to speak Telugu. If it is 200 kms west, I have to speak Kannada. If I travel 300 kms south west, I have to speak Malayalam. If I travel a thousand kms, I have to speak Hindi.
I do like your sense of justice but I cannot be so patiently righteous as you are. And as you have once replied to Chuck I am not as thick-skinned as you are. Please don’t lead anybody to disputes, conflicts or emotional hurt. Or at least people must not adapt such tones just because they are being abused with such tones.
I do not want to be self-centered on this blog. All I want to do is talk about Warrior Forum. I do not want to be personally attacked nor do I want to personally attack you or anybody. Don’t provoke me to such extents. I am led to speak just because I sense a personal attack in your replies not for the first time but for the second time.
I do not feel anything superior in knowing or learning English. In fact, English has become the “Global Lingua Franca” which has been part of the problem for us. I do not know how to conclude and I do not know whether I have been right in stating things openly.
I also apologize personally to “Jo” if I have gone a little or a lot overboard. I want to show my apologies as well to show for she may not have intended it. I also feel that I am not thick-skinned enough to survive criticisms.
However, I would like to continue the conversation regarding this, if I have gone wrong somewhere. Thank you for clarifying yourself though you did not need to. Thank you very much for your patient reply. And I feel sorry if my statements are more personal on you.
@Dinesh Babu. I cannot think how to reply to you; I am stunned to learn that I have offended and hurt you, and you have my most profound apologies for that. Nothing that I have said, either here or on your own blog, was meant to be unkind.
Since this terrible misunderstanding has occurred, I feel that it might be best if you and I don’t engage in any further conversation. Clearly, we are just two people who simply don’t understand each other, and anything further almost surely would lead to yet more misunderstanding. Let’s don’t perpetuate this. At the very least, it is out of place on this thread and on someone else’s blog.
Once more, please allow me to beg your pardon most sincerely and ask you to abandon your hurt feelings. Not one word I have said to you, anywhere and at any time, was meant to cause you any discomfort.
Fatima
Jo:
I am very much grateful to Mr. Wagenheim for his
helpful attitude and thoughtfulness. I have learned
alot from him!
Take a look at his fan site. Oh, he does have many
fans!
No, probably I was wrong in having misunderstood you. I know I was. I misinterpreted your stressing on language. I am a writer and it is a kind of writer’s pride. Not only do I write in English but also in Tamil.
So I believe the stress on language is not necessary and it is expression that is important. Besides, no language is superior than the other. Every language has its own good and bad things.
Let us say Tamil has no commercial value but has a vast history but English has commercial value and more followers. That is the difference.
Perhaps you are too outspoken and henceforth, as I understand you, I would only want to debate with you on any topic in a friendly manner than to find you wrong on any occasion. In fact I didn’t. I have been actually comprehending you through your posts and thought (whether or not to) several times before replying.
I would not also want to drag this on a common place or somebody else’s. I feel more and more guilty talking about it or about hinting that you have been hurting.
We will put an end to this. Even if you want to post a reply, you may do so on my blog. Now that I come to know you have not intended to hurt, my conscience is getting the better off me.
I am deeply disgusted with myself of having assumed things that were not intended. Thank you Jo. Your experiences and your age are all valuable. Yesterday, I saw the movie “Up”.
There was something good about the movie – something good about having an old man protagonist. The character is loved though he has his own limitations on socializing with others and his moving with others.
Just thought of telling you this. No more of “Jo” and “Dinesh Babu”, let “Warrior Forum” and the banned stories continue.
Hey Just wanted all of you to know that we have now started a “Banned from the Warrior Forum” facebook page… Come join it invite all you friends and let truth about the warrior forum go viral on facebook…. Thx
Have you heard the latest? Seems all the pressure is getting to Allen Says. Here’s an article claiming the Warrior Forum is FOR SALE! http://bit.ly/aO4P5x
@Fatima and @Wag Fan: You’re too late, folks. Been there, done that. Spammed at least twice in my banned from the WF post. Filthy, disgusting, repulsive by someone to whom those same words apply.
I wonder why Steven Wagenheim hasn’t retaliated. Wait, no I don’t…but you don’t, do you?
I’d come to YOUR defense if you were being bullied by a bunch of dolts cowering behind anonymity. THAT would be funny, one anonymous dolt bullying another.
BTW, that ‘fan’ site isn’t hilarious; it’s sick – very sick.
Well I did ask to be kept up to date with this thread.. its a long tale of woe for sure..Looks like WF don’t care 2 hoots about opinion.. I found WF was ok for learning a few things, but I quickly realized its a business run by the War Room Elite, who use the forum as a constant supply of Cannon Fodder.. Newbies.. Lure them in with WSO’s that are just basic stuff.. keep em on the hook as long as possible.. well Im glad Im out.. cuz I looked around and found other pastures..
You might want to see if the grass is greener here..
http://www.warez-bb.org/
http://blackhatworld.com
The top one is an Indian forum.. there is piles of stuff here way better than any WSO ive seen on WF, and its all FREE.. and BHF.. also lots of helpful info, and feedback.. go for it…
Gazinbali
?????????????? ?????? ?? ???? ? ??? ?????????? ?????????? ipqi.info ????? ???-?? ??????? ?????? 🙂 ? ??? ??????
Just now my about banned permanently. I don’t know for what purpose they banned my account. I lost posted 3 new threads one by one.
Funny, I was going to do business with someone, when I noticed they were recently banned. Wondering what that meant and if that indicated I should stay away from doing business with that person, I googled “warrior forum banned” and found this page. Now I see that I should not put too much weight on the “banned” status, and rely on my normal due diligence in deciding if someone seems safe enough to do business with. BTW, there are several good IM forums around and more popping up, I wouldn’t lament WF too much.
Yep Same here I was just banned for life for some BS reason…I just blogged about it as well come Comment
http://selffundingbusiness.com/2010/03/banned-from-the-warrior-forum-and-laughing-out-loud/
Wow, all I can say is all of you IMO are a bunch of losers. I have been a member of the WF for quite some time and you don’t just get banned for being nice. The rules are in plain site for anyone to read and if you adhere to them you have no problem.
It’s interesting to read some of your comments which are not only negative in nature but obviously demonstrate what kind of people you are in general. With the attitudes displayed which are basically blaming others (in this case, the Warrior Forum) for your IM ineptness it is easy to see why you will never go anywhere in life.
As far as I am concerned, good riddance to all of you.
@Jack P — Spoken like a true Warrior!
@Jack P. It seems news of Warrior Forum dishonestly banning members has gotten under poor Jack P’s skin. This WF sycophant took time away from his Allen Say boot licking duties to post a lie on Ad Hustler.
By not revealing his identity Jack P does reveal his cowardice.
The facts are indisputable. Warrior Forum rules are violated every day by Warrior Forum moderators. Honest, decent folks are frequently banned from WF for no reason whatsoever, except that they have inadvertently exposed another WF scam.
Freedom of speech is also banned on the Warrior Forum. It does not exist there.
One significant benefit to being fraudulently banned by the WF is that the innocent marketer quickly discovers that the WF is a complete waste of time anyway. It’s a WSO scam site with inept, corrupt moderators, no free speech and tired, useless, rehashed IM advice.
Each day, in greater and greater numbers, internet marketers are happily saying good riddance to the Warrior Forum.
Chuck Rosseel,
Publisher of Warrior Forum Sucks
http://www.WarriorForumSucks.com
Just two weeks ago I got into the offline niche. I have dedicated the last two weeks to talking to as many business owners as possible. It has been a great experience and I have already picked up two clients this week and have about 4-5 appointments next week. These are high quality clients like attorneys, insurance agents, mortgage brokers, etc. I have three state farm agents that want to meet me next week along with a magician and DUI lawyer. I can’t even keep track of all the leads/contacts I have made. It is really amazing and the best part of it all is what happened Thurs.
I was talking to some President of a College or something. Didn’t really give it a thought because I have gotten really good at explaining what I do in only two weeks. We were also on a equal level and I talk to people as though they are my friends even though they may be really important. After talking with him for about 30 mins in a social setting you could tell he was really impressed with what I knew and then he said “I want you to be the marketing professor at my college”. I was shocked and thought maybe the guy was just talking like a big shot. So I was like OK I would be interested in that, but I am really busy with my business right now.
So the next day he sends me an email saying “I really want to bring you next week for a quick chalk and talk with my staff. If all goes well we will bring you on.” I couldn’t believe it and it was incredible thinking I went from nothing to being offered a position at a college in less than two weeks. So I have to send over my transcripts from my Masters Degree, resume and the application. His secretary will be contacting me early next week for the appointment. All I can say is just go out there and DO IT. Talk to as many people as possible and gain the confidence and leverage to nail big clients everyday.
I don’t even know if I will accept the position because my business is really starting to take off and I have a goal of 100 clients in 6 months. I want to acheive this goal because it will give me about $50,000 a month in residual income as well. I have so many great stories of how I leveraged my skill and talent that it is crazy. People are starting to chase me and contact me and it has only be a few weeks.
JUST DO IT!
feettymox
Hi,
This is stupidity. i got banned within half an hour and i dont even know why?
This is such stupid site “warriorforum”..
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I got booted today. 🙁 I think it was because of ‘spam”. I was telling other warriors about this really high paying PPI affiliate program, and did put it in my signature, but they banned me anyway. That forum has been really helpful to me, and I wanted to share this find with everyone, because there were a lot of people who were struggling to find good affiliate programs. The one thing I don’t get is that there are people who put offers to their info products or other people’s info products, but they’re not banned? How does that work? Their offers are completely unsolicited, and mine was something that people were actually LOOKING for. 🙁
[QUOTE] Jack P said…
Wow, all I can say is all of you IMO are a bunch of losers. I have been a member of the WF for quite some time and you don’t just get banned for being nice. The rules are in plain site for anyone to read and if you adhere to them you have no problem.
It’s interesting to read some of your comments which are not only negative in nature but obviously demonstrate what kind of people you are in general. With the attitudes displayed which are basically blaming others (in this case, the Warrior Forum) for your IM ineptness it is easy to see why you will never go anywhere in life.
As far as I am concerned, good riddance to all of you.[/QUOTE]
Wow…..someone has their knickers in a twist lol
No doubt! 😛 Definitely suggest how mature Jack P is. I’m still gonna lurk. I like their WSO Forum…you can get some great ideas for SEO.
Listen up all of you whiners and moaners.
You got banned because you broke our forum rules, if you got banned for life, you well deserve the action taken against you.
We don’t want your type on our forum.
Do you think we’ve got nothing better to do all day than to pamper to you lot, bitching and moaning all day long?
Cut the crap out of your lives and you might actually get somewhere.
Paul Myers – Warrior Forum Moderator
@ Paul Meyers and we have the right to expose exactly how the Warrior Forum is run…
Warrior Forum is known for giving pass to the “Guru’s” and long time forum members who consistenly break the rules. Yet the moderators arbitraitly make up rules as you go along for the “unwashed masses” of the rest of the forum that get banned without warning just because a moderator subjectively interpreted a rule to fit their own justification to ban someone because they had a problem personally with the member..
We can talk about it all we want Paul it’s called Freedom of Speech… You should try it over at the Warrior Forum you may be enlightened to waht is really going on in the rest of the world right around you instead of just what is in your little box…
Gavin Lively
That’s really big of you Paulie.
Listen up Paul Meyers.
Honest folks are sick of your lies. There is nothing lower than a Warrior Forum moderator.
Read my opinion of Paul Meyers:
http://www.warriorforumsucks.com/2010/03/paul-meyers-warrior-forum-scam.html
@ Paul Myers
It’s interesting to note that the owner of Ad Hustler has not censored you and allowed you your freedom of speech and to express your opinion albeit a subjective paragraph of insults and sweeping assumptions.
@ To everyone else
I ask you these questions.
What successful and ethical business model that knows that it’s customers are unhappy about the way they’ve been treated, responds by telling them to basically sod off?
If you walked into Walmart and bought faulty goods, would you be happy if their staff told you that “we don’t want your type” in our shop and throw a bag of insults at you? Would you shop their again and more to the point how long would Walmart last?
What if you took a flight with Virgin Atlantic and the stewardress decided not to give you service as he/she simply didn’t like the look of you? Would Richard Branson be where he is today on a broken business model?
Choose your role models carefully. Do you really want to be part of a forum where the owner openly admits that he used to earn his money dishonestly. I notice that Paul is an avid Gary Halbert fan. Gary Halbert was a very talented copy writer and is said to have turned the marketing world on it’s head, but that wasn’t before he spent several years in Boron Federal Prison Camp for fraud!
If you really want to get on in life and business then steer well clear of business models like the Warrior Forum as it will only serve to make you feel bad. Feeling bad is not a good recipe for success – positive thinking and feeling good is. Conducting yourself honestly and ethically will ensure a good nights sleep and a higher self.
The irony of Pauls’ post of course is that by taking his valuable time to hurl some insults and tell us that the poor loves are overworked, he has himself, become a “whiner and moaner”.
P.S. Still waiting for the email stating that I have been banned as it states in the Warrior Forums’ Terms of Service. Please don’t tell us you break the rules that are of your own making?
@Nicola awesome response to Paul
Thx
Gavin
I just caught word that the person who posted here as “Paul Meyers” may in fact be an imposter having fun at our expense…
If it is true that is definitely NOT cool!
@ Gavin
Thanks Gavin,
I peeped at your blog and I think the post you did on this subject is excellent and very well written 🙂
All the best,
Nicola
Been reading at the WF for quite some time but have
very rarely posted.
Yes, the mods have a history of banning people at
their whim and being “control freaks.”
If you’re not part of the “good ole’ boys’ ” clique
and aren’t prepared to kiss a boatload of arse, then
you won’t be welcome there.
And the emphasis on number of posts, etc. is really
ridiculous. Some people at the WF make it their
whole life and REALLY need to get out more!
Well said Nicola. The moderator Paul Myers can speak here and not get banned but Paul Myers would ban anyone who spoke freely on his forum. That shows how genuine the forum is run.
You do not provide proper service scamming loads of money and say that you are not eligible to be in my forum. Why don’t you test the members before they sign up, conduct interviews if you do not want people like “us”.
If you don’t want people like us and if you want people like…… what? Fill it up with what rhymes with “us”. Then go l*** it. I mean go “love” it. And what you rhyme with “us” is at your sole discretion and not mine.
Mr. Myers, you keep banning people. One day you and your forum will be banned. I am awaiting such a day and see the law forces rip you off your “ass”ets.
@ ALL WHO RESPONDED TO THE ‘PAUL MYERS’ POST.
I have just confirmed that that was not the real Paul Myers. The real one is aware of fake posts using his name, and I had an email from him (I’m on one of his lists) suggesting that if you have doubts you can email him at paul@talkbiz.com for confirmation.
I queried that email, not by replying to it but by using the address I have for him in my contacts list, and he replied that it was genuine.
I hope that all of you who replied to the fake post will delete your posts, regardless of what you may think about the real Paul Myers. We could easily lose our own credibility if we aren’t careful of such scams.
And I certainly hope that Ad Hustler will delete the fake post…after confirming at paul@talkbiz.com that the real Paul Myers did not post it. I did not confirm that, but I suspected it immediately because the real Paul Myers does not splutter as did that poster.
I hate Warrior SCAM Offers. Most of them are scams
One wonders if Steven “The Wagmeister General”
pooped himself when he got banned from the WF
for 7 days?! And this was for defending Michael
Jackson (imagine: the creepy defending the creepy).
So, Wags…you’re a Michael Jackson sympathizer, eh?
Interesting indeed………
One of the “seasoned” female posters over there claims
to be a ghostwriter, yet she can’t compose a proper
sentence.
Buffoons!
@Cosmo Kramer: “One” probably does wonder what Steven Wagenheim did when he was banned. “One” could have no idea what a gentleman WOULD do.
You, not surprisingly, can’t read. He wasn’t defending Michael Jackson; he was defending everyone’s right to privacy at times of family crisis.
Steven Wagenheim, a gentleman and a fine person, was wrong because he indulged in name-calling when he rebuked the people who were showing lack of consideration for his family by attacking someone they loved. He admitted that he was wrong, apologized, and got on with it.
OTOH, “One” and the rest of his ilk are behaving like school yard bullies, for which they are earning the contempt they deserve.
Posting anonymously is a dead giveaway that a coward lurks behind those words.
@Jo
It looks as though Mr Myers has an enemy hot on his tail! Unfortunately, when moderators behave as badly as they do on WF it can bring out the worst in people although I’m not condoning this bogus posters tactics. I prefer up front freedom of speech to surreptitious damage tactics.
I have no problem deleting my response although the points I made were more on the WF being a broken business model. I can’t see how to do this from my end though. If the site owner wants to delete then thats cool with me.
Thanks for letting us know Jo,
Nicola
@Nicola. Now that you mention it, I don’t see any way to alter posts, either. At least your post above softens things a bit.
Paul Myers and Steven Wagenheim seem to be getting the brunt of the abuse, and to the best of my knowledge, neither of them ever did anything but help in overabundance. Either will occasionally put someone down a bit who oversteps bounds or posts less than expert advice, but in my opinion both are great guys. In fact, theirs are the only two names I can even recall from the WF.
I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that neither of those two has ever banned someone, but if either did, you can bet that someone deserved it in spades!
If Paul Myers didn’t make the above comment let him come here and deny it. Even if an impostor made that comment it doesn’t change my opinion of Paul Myers one bit.
Here are the facts:
Paul Myers supports the censorship of free speech on the Warrior Forum. Let me be crystal clear about this. If a WF member is scammed on that forum, he is prohibited from revealing the WF member who ripped him off. He cannot fight back or even warn other WF members of the scam artist. Should he do so, the victim will be banned while the scam artist will be allowed to continue stealing on the WF. Obviously this censorship policy, which Paul Myers wholeheartedly supports, encourages and fosters a climate of deceit, deception, cheating and swindling on the Warrior Forum.
Myers was directly involved in attacking my posts on the Warrior Forum. The threads have all been killed but I remember Paul wanting me silenced just because I spoke the truth. I never violated a single policy on the WF, yet thanks to Paul Myers and others, I was banned for life.
After I penned a critical article about Paul Myers, I received a death threat email and comment. There is an ongoing investigation into this.
It’s no secret I write a blog called Warrior Forum Sucks. In it I tell the truth about the WF while warning folks to stay away. Over the past several months I have been repeatedly attacked. I have had websites hijacked, email accounts phished, death threats, keylogger encroachments and just a few hours ago my WFS blog and several other sites were wiped off the internet ( I just got them all back online).
I don’t know if Myers sent the death threat but I do know that all the BS I’ve experienced only came after I started writing about the Warrior Forum.
I’m thick skinned, knowledgeable about computers, have everything backed up securely, know how to protect my data and myself and know how to locate an IP even if a proxy were used. I will continue to write about the WF.
I’ll end by stating I’m no fan of Steven Wagenheim. My beef with him isn’t just that he’s one of the creepiest and weirdest characters online but that he also was directly involved in censoring me on the Warrior Forum. He’s an oddball occultist and serial forum poster who like Myers, completely supports the Warrior Forum censorship policy that fosters so many scams (WSO and others) on the WF.
Jo/”Jody”…you’re quite the whining crybaby. Quite
throwing your rattle out of the pram and whining
about getting banned from WF.
Why the obsession with Wags and Myers?
Yes, both are good people. Steve has his
quirks (who doesn’t?) and Paul sometimes
gets a but up his arse about this and that.
Let it go, and go find yourself a new hobby.
Mr. Allen Says shall continue to make a fortune
off WF whether you’re a member or not.
Actually, they don’t like NZ marketers over there.
That’s a joke, Jody…don’t sweat it. Now go make
some $$$ and quite whining.
Don’t worry about Paul and Wagsy…they’ll be just
fine.
@From the WF. Ho hum. Yet one more anonymous comment. Is the WF a harbor for cowards?
You’re right that Paul Myers and Steven Wagenheim don’t need me to defend them, but the bullies who attack them need me… and the others who are fair people… to tell them how trashy their behavior is.
Those attacks on decent people say a helluva lot more about the attackers than about those attacked.
FYI, I’m an American, not a New Zealander; I just live here.
I still do not understand if “Jo” (personally requesting to not take offence) is in support of the forum and the moderators or if he is against them.
I do understand that Steven Wagenheim was pretty decent who responded to my post with criticisms that would put me down but when I responded and explained, he seemed to understand whatever I said. He understood the truth behind my words.
His words grew softer afterwards. But I do not know Paul Myers. I just want to clarify from “Jo”, if he is with the forum and the moderators or if he is not with them.
His reply on my blog also suggested me otherwise. Here is it http://rationalfilms.blogspot.com/2010/03/warrior-forum-limits-controls.html
But here the backlash on an anonymous poster by “Jo” is different from his dispelling of common and shared opinions of those who hate Warrior Forum.
He often dispels opinions but also speaks of the warrior forum’s ways. I am not indicating at anything like double standards of my dear friend “Jo”. But this has been confusing me. I do not also figure out if his sarcasms are so good.
If that is the case, then I appreciate his ability:))
But here the backlash on an anonymous poster by “Jo” is different from his dispelling of common and shared opinions of those who hate Warrior Forum.
He often dispels opinions but also speaks of the warrior forum’s ways. I am not indicating at anything like double standards of my dear friend “Jo”. But this has been confusing me. I do not also figure out if his sarcasms are so good.
If that is the case, then I appreciate his unique ability:))
hi folks,
this is Dez here from Desmondblog.com, LOL.
warriorforum sucks. it can kiss my ass and suck my boobs. oh no, i won’t give them that privilege. alexa smith – she can suck my cock. she’s hot.
they ban for crazy reasons. was in thailand recently n a friend got banned, amazing. i just use them for wsos coz theres some good money there. i literally made all my money selling warrior scammy offers to gullible newbs. n photoschopped sum screenshots 2, easy money there.
once john taylor the asshole pmmed me asking to pay him 50% of my wso sales or get my ass blocked from the wf. since then i am paying him 50%. crazy shit. but whatever.
a couple folks there are cool tho. kelsall for one. i lol at ppl like therichjerksnet who dusnt knw a fuck n will say he hs tested everything… as if he’s some sort of a newbee god. damn him. he can’t get an erection so spitting out crap.
i luv the imraan nassem dude keepps on pushin whore scam opportunities (WSO) every day. i love how martin luxton n dennis gaskill will kill gases every day.
most of them all… i love mark andrews im copywriting who commented above …
“The forum is great, the mods are a complete bunch of idiots.
Stuff em, I ain’t going back there again.”
so let me get this straight u asshole fag
u aint goin thr but u will post wsos
yea yea yea ur fuckin usual crap
fuck off n get a life mr. andrews. u can make more flippin burgers thn writing shitty copy
– d
@Dinesh Babu. Sorry I’ve not made myself clear, Dinesh. Poor writing on my part; a good writer would be clear even to those for whom English is a second language.
But, I think I can clarify for you now. (And, BTW, I’m a ‘she,’ not a ‘he.’)
Being ‘for’ or ‘against’ is often not black and white. I try to see both sides of any question, including disputes, and to acknowledge the positive things on both sides as well as to condemn the negative on both.
Also, readers should remember that comments and facts are two different things. Comments are a writer’s personal opinions and should be recognized as such. They can be disputed.
Facts, assuming that the person stating them knows what he or she is talking about, are not to be disputed.
With those things in mind, I am against the Warrior Forum’s arbitrary banning policies and the moderating policy that makes them possible; I am against Allen Says for not having more foresight about what would happen as the result of those policies; and, I am against Allen Says for not taking action to correct this situation–particularly if his reason is “I don’t care; just give me the money.”
I am NOT against the reasonable and decent members of the Warrior Forum who genuinely and generously give help to others. These are the people who would not ban a member on a whim and would take no pleasure in banning even when it needed to be done.
Paul Myers and Steven Wagenheim fall into that last category. In addition, I have bought their products and found them to be of exceptional value and, IMO, under priced. I’ll stick my neck out and say that I don’t think Steven Wagenheim ever offered a WSO that wasn’t worth far more than his price.
Although I rarely looked at the WSOs (I learned about them by way of the author’s newsletter), I don’t believe Paul Myers was using that marketing strategy much, if at all, during the couple of years that I was a member.
So what is my true position in the controversy? I hate bullying, small mindedness, unjustified criticism, and the damage that those things do to innocent people.
They do (usually irreparable) damage to people’s reputations, their careers, their businesses, and, sadly, to their personal lives.
I find that intolerable, and my conscience compels me to speak up on behalf of anyone whom I think is being bullied and/or falsely accused. I confess to having an overdeveloped sense of justice, but in my almost 80 years of life, I’ve never been able to keep it in check.
They using new tactics now instead of a ban they are doing a redirect … See the video – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcIo4hvX58g – No rules at all broken, none of us was even on the WF when we got our “Ban/Redirect” …
@Jo I see your personal comments to me as a bit of a racist remark. They seem to me as racial and they hurt me right from where your target is on me.
I see your comment on my blog as one too. http://rationalfilms.blogspot.com/2010/03/warrior-forum-limits-controls.html
That is my opinion and I have felt that on more than one occasion. And if you say that you do not take the irreparable damage comments make to people, I would request you to stop referring to me as such as well. If your comments are going to be more stronger than I “requested”, then I would not be able to bear it nor be able to take it and that would prevent me from an act called posting comments.
I say that you dispel beliefs. You know, I thought I was replying to a guy who was just out of college or university and who had taken to IM. Then, when you said, you were a “she” and not a “he”, I was thrilled with the thought of having myself acquainted with a “mid 30s” woman who took to “internet marketing” working from home, a single mother or, more interestingly, a single woman:-(
But I could not even imagine you have lived for 80 years or more. Probably, it is to do with your language and writing. I still find it hard to believe you are 80 years old.
Your writing is more youthful which led me to assume different things about you. And I have been telling you that English is not the most difficult thing to learn. It is one of the easiest languages to learn. We have a language every 300 kms with several dialects and accents on each. So it is not difficult for us to learn any language and we do learn multiple languages for we need them to travel within our own country.
My Native language is Tamil which has survived for more than 5000 years (the longest surviving language in history) and if I am to travel just 100 kms north from my city, I have to speak Telugu. If it is 200 kms west, I have to speak Kannada. If I travel 300 kms south west, I have to speak Malayalam. If I travel a thousand kms, I have to speak Hindi.
I do like your sense of justice but I cannot be so patiently righteous as you are. And as you have once replied to Chuck I am not as thick-skinned as you are. Please don’t lead anybody to disputes, conflicts or emotional hurt. Or at least people must not adapt such tones just because they are being abused with such tones.
I do not want to be self-centered on this blog. All I want to do is talk about Warrior Forum. I do not want to be personally attacked nor do I want to personally attack you or anybody. Don’t provoke me to such extents. I am led to speak just because I sense a personal attack in your replies not for the first time but for the second time.
I do not feel anything superior in knowing or learning English. In fact, English has become the “Global Lingua Franca” which has been part of the problem for us. I do not know how to conclude and I do not know whether I have been right in stating things openly.
I also apologize personally to “Jo” if I have gone a little or a lot overboard. I want to show my apologies as well to show for she may not have intended it. I also feel that I am not thick-skinned enough to survive criticisms.
However, I would like to continue the conversation regarding this, if I have gone wrong somewhere. Thank you for clarifying yourself though you did not need to. Thank you very much for your patient reply. And I feel sorry if my statements are more personal on you.
@Dinesh Babu. I cannot think how to reply to you; I am stunned to learn that I have offended and hurt you, and you have my most profound apologies for that. Nothing that I have said, either here or on your own blog, was meant to be unkind.
Since this terrible misunderstanding has occurred, I feel that it might be best if you and I don’t engage in any further conversation. Clearly, we are just two people who simply don’t understand each other, and anything further almost surely would lead to yet more misunderstanding. Let’s don’t perpetuate this. At the very least, it is out of place on this thread and on someone else’s blog.
Once more, please allow me to beg your pardon most sincerely and ask you to abandon your hurt feelings. Not one word I have said to you, anywhere and at any time, was meant to cause you any discomfort.
Jo:
I am very much grateful to Mr. Wagenheim for his
helpful attitude and thoughtfulness. I have learned
alot from him!
Take a look at his fan site. Oh, he does have many
fans!
http://www.stevenwagenheim.co.cc
Cheers,
Fatima
Check out Steven Wagenheim’s fansite!
http://www.stevenwagenheim.co.cc/
No, probably I was wrong in having misunderstood you. I know I was. I misinterpreted your stressing on language. I am a writer and it is a kind of writer’s pride. Not only do I write in English but also in Tamil.
So I believe the stress on language is not necessary and it is expression that is important. Besides, no language is superior than the other. Every language has its own good and bad things.
Let us say Tamil has no commercial value but has a vast history but English has commercial value and more followers. That is the difference.
Perhaps you are too outspoken and henceforth, as I understand you, I would only want to debate with you on any topic in a friendly manner than to find you wrong on any occasion. In fact I didn’t. I have been actually comprehending you through your posts and thought (whether or not to) several times before replying.
I would not also want to drag this on a common place or somebody else’s. I feel more and more guilty talking about it or about hinting that you have been hurting.
We will put an end to this. Even if you want to post a reply, you may do so on my blog. Now that I come to know you have not intended to hurt, my conscience is getting the better off me.
I am deeply disgusted with myself of having assumed things that were not intended. Thank you Jo. Your experiences and your age are all valuable. Yesterday, I saw the movie “Up”.
There was something good about the movie – something good about having an old man protagonist. The character is loved though he has his own limitations on socializing with others and his moving with others.
Just thought of telling you this. No more of “Jo” and “Dinesh Babu”, let “Warrior Forum” and the banned stories continue.
Hey Just wanted all of you to know that we have now started a “Banned from the Warrior Forum” facebook page… Come join it invite all you friends and let truth about the warrior forum go viral on facebook…. Thx
Gavin
http://www.facebook.com/WarriorForumBanned
Have you heard the latest? Seems all the pressure is getting to Allen Says. Here’s an article claiming the Warrior Forum is FOR SALE!
http://bit.ly/aO4P5x
@Fatima and @Wag Fan: You’re too late, folks. Been there, done that. Spammed at least twice in my banned from the WF post. Filthy, disgusting, repulsive by someone to whom those same words apply.
I wonder why Steven Wagenheim hasn’t retaliated. Wait, no I don’t…but you don’t, do you?
@Jo .. Yes I was wondering the same … I also was going to notify you of the facebook fan page but looks like Gavin already done that …lol
Steve Wagenheim is a quirky turkey but basically
an OK guy.
That fansite of his……hilarious!
Jo, you sure do jump to Wags’ defense at every
given opportunity. You gettin’ busy with guy
or somethin’? LOL!
I’d come to YOUR defense if you were being bullied by a bunch of dolts cowering behind anonymity. THAT would be funny, one anonymous dolt bullying another.
BTW, that ‘fan’ site isn’t hilarious; it’s sick – very sick.